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Kristina Millar May 22, 2009 at 6:42 pm

Great post! Thank you for writing it, I feel the same way you do about this but have always struggled in expressing it.

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kat May 22, 2009 at 9:27 pm

i really respect how you write and get your thoughts across. i agree with your boyfriend about the human issues, and vicariously you both are ace motherlickers.

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Carolyn May 24, 2009 at 9:29 am

I call myself a feminist just because its an easy identifier but I’ve started to throw it around less and less because people assume I am gay, hate sex, makeup/dresses. And some feminists can’t believe I would love to get married and stay at home with kids. I can’t win either way…

It is absolutely a human issue. If more people had the same set of beliefs, I suppose there wouldn’t be a need to identify yourself one way or another.

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Holly Page May 26, 2009 at 11:53 pm

Great post! I’ve just started avoiding loaded terms like “sex-positive”, “bisexual”, and “feminist” because they’re a pain in the ass to use. You always have to qualify it, like “I’m a feminist, but I use the words douche, cunt, and bitch.” We have a lot of big “human issues” to deal with, but a lot of activist groups seem to get focused on minutiae (like the use of the word douche), which, while not totally insignificant, makes the group seem douche-y.

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Shannon September 14, 2009 at 8:21 am

I agree with ya. I feel ya. I was a women’s studies minor in college too and I always felt like I didn’t belong to the “hardcore” group of feminist girls because I disagreed with them on some things, which was weird because weren’t we all for the female voice? We spent way too much time talking about personal issues and ways we use words then actually doing something. Feminism is cool, but stop talking so much and getting pissed at the world and do something about it ya know? I thought it was cool you posted this, brave thing cuz you could of had some serious backlash.

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LoriA February 24, 2011 at 7:57 pm

So I was reading through your ‘Favorites’ archive and I have to say that, while coming across this post didn’t totally shock me, it *was* rather unexpected. After reading it I can’t say I understand any better why you don’t like the label ‘feminist.’ Your boyfriend didn’t? It can mean different things to different people? Some of its connotations are negative?

Also, this was weird: “The thing is, choosing to opt out of calling myself a feminist somehow means that I don’t support women’s rights and am part of the “You can’t rape a slut” group, which is not much different than assuming that I would illegally purchase methamphetamines or use an escort service while touting family values because I’m not a Christian.”

I get that this was a joke, but the point still stands that the analogy doesn’t work. In order to be valid, it would have to be “…which is not much different than assuming that I wouldn’t believe Christ is God because I’m not a Christian.” The only thing inherent to feminism is believing in women’s rights, and the only thing inherent to Christianity is believing that Christ is God. So, sure, you can say you believe in either of those things without adopting the label— maybe because you don’t like its other associations, maybe because you just don’t like labels— but people are going to assume that if you say “I’m not Christian,” it’s precisely because you *don’t* believe Christ is God. That is, after all, the more logical assumption.

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Vagina Drum February 24, 2011 at 9:29 pm

I don’t think you got that it was a joke, because if you had, you’d know that the example was pulled straight from the life of Ted Haggard and then you wouldn’t be here drafting the painfully obvious clarification that, “inherent to Christianity is believing that Christ is God.”

Oh also, it was a joke.

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LoriA February 25, 2011 at 7:56 am

No, I got the reference too. I’m just saying that the whole argument doesn’t really make sense to me, jokes aside. Then again, I readily admit that I *am* a humorless feminist.

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Vagina Drum May 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm

@Kristina Millar,

Thanks, yeah it’s taken me some time to get here–but mostly just to get comfortable with the idea of rejecting this thing that I thought I had to hold on to in order to prove that I believed in something worthwhile.

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Vagina Drum May 27, 2009 at 4:25 pm

@Holly Page,

Yes–great point, and I think those qualifiers exist (in feminism) because there are so many sub-groups that are in some cases resentful and critical of other similarly posed groups, so there’s this constant need to root out those who are fer it or agin’ it.

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